I've always showed up late or just in time... Even when I was a believer. Never got asked to drive anyone! I'd say that's second best to not going at all.
Captain Obvious
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Did you pick-up many people for the meetings??
by karter ini was a regular taxi for alot of people.. we (wife & family) pick up one sister and her 2 children for many years ...he husband had walked out on her and we did'nt mind.. however when we were asked by the cobe wife to pick up and elderly and infermed bro a 3 day assembly (we had 3 young children) i said no.. we pased her and her daughter traviling alone to the assembly.. .
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Ten Years From Now .......
by Phizzy inwhat with the very low baptism rate, many leaving, many waking up and staying in for now, but not "zealous" any more, the wt/jw religion/scam is without doubt moribund.. i do not foresee a sudden end to the wt but what will it look llike in ten years time ??.
the late teens/early twenty year olds of today will i think be very thin on the ground as 30 year old jw's, so my view is that in ten years time it will be mainly old hardcore ones ,50 yr old and up, and even they will be aware that the org.
is dying..
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Captain Obvious
You are all wrong....
Satan's present wicked system of things will have passed! Giving way to Christ's foretold thousand year reign. Are we not grateful to our loving God Jehovah for drawing us to his earthly organization? (applause) Are we not ever more motivate to share this good news with everyone we can? (applause) So let us then be ever more vigilant in our ministry, proving Satan a liar and doing God's will.
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How many fingers am I holding up?
by kurtbethel in"if the society told me that this book is black instead of green, i would say, `y'know, i could have sworn that it was green, but if the society says it's black, then it's black!
' (spoken by bart thomson, wts district overseer, by raymond franz in crisis of conscience, p. 296.. .
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Captain Obvious
Ah! I see it now...
And what if the party demands that it is five?
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shucks, where's Blondie this week?
by stillin ini don't see her review of today's study article.
the "experience" of the person who was shunned by his family until he got himself reinstated really bothered me.
no mention of repentance, no mention of his wanting to restore worship of jehovah back into his life.
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Captain Obvious
I was hoping to read her comments on the WT study before I went to the meeting. It wasn't just that one paragraph though..... There were many points in that study that were ridiculous. Some of the comments.... Wow. Faithful slave this, God's organization that... A real eye roller.
And to think, we used to sit there every Sunday and hear the exact same thing... Nod our heads in agreement, and maybe even throw up a comment or two just to show how "spiritually strong" we were. Barf.
After a full wake up, studies like today's are hard to stomach. I hope nobody notices the faces I was making! I couldn't help it.
Of course we can't expect Blondie to just be a WT comment machine.... Maybe she is just busy? I'm really interested to find out her thoughts on today's WT. I think there were a couple of threads a while ago about this WT, no? I'll do a search.
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Baptism...a new look at an old subject.
by Chariklo infresh onto the forum this morning, i found a post on another thread where whether or not someone is/was baptised was being discussed, and it made me think.. i am in the process of radically re-appraising my attitude to religion and all things spiritual, and realised that this must include baptism.. here in the uk baptism most of the population traditionally used to think of baptism as christening, and it was a kind of official recognising that a new baby was here.
the christening in church, white shawl for the baby, best clothes, family gathering and teaparty, godparents giving presents to the baby, often the starting of a bank savings account...all of that together comprised the baby's christening, and in many cases would be the last the child saw of the inside of a church until the wedding day, and then years ahead the funeral.
hatch, match and dispatch.. baptism is seen and recognised as a sacrament, with a power in and of itself.
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Captain Obvious
Very interesting take on the subject, Chariklo
The JW claim is that the water baptism is a public declaration of the dedication of one's life to God. However, in JWspeak it means to promise to do the preaching work the way they want you to. The question about association with "God's bOrganization" came about more recently. Unfortunately in reality, like many facets of JWhood, it means more than they say... But don't you dare say it! An unbaptized person woudn't be subject to the same judicial procedures unless they truly wanted to be recognized as a JW. They could however, make the same "so and so is no longer recognized as one of Jehovah's witnesses" announcement and it would have the same effect.
As far as the significance of the occasion, I think that if one were to put aside the attachment to the bOrg, it would have equal significance to a person who wants to serve God. Either way it is a very important decision for someone who intends to live up to it, organization or not. Which is why myself and many others feel strongly about allowing children and immature younger ones to get baptized just because they can answer the questions in the OM book. I think the feeling among JWs is that to them it is the RIGHT decision, so it doesnt matter if the person making it isn't old enough to fully understand the implications.
Myself, I got baptized at 20 yrs old after being pestered about it by family and friends for years. I kept using the "Jesus didn't get baptized until he was 29"! Excuse. I could BARELY answer the questions in the OM book without help... Very poor instruction as a kid from my folks, and I had learned to tune out the meetings at a very yound age. I did not have the knowledge a person should have when making that decision, despite being a born-in. I had no interest in learning how to explain the doctrine, but there was a very pretty girl who I badly wanted to date (now my wife) and I had to get dipped to make it legit.
Either way, NOBODY ever intentionally dedicated their life to a CULT. And for that reason I dont feel like any JW baptism is legitimate in light of it's actual purpose and significance. They have no business making association with any one group a condition on one's baptism.
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Captain Obvious
Sure it seems lame here, but... I would say showing "fruitages of the spirit" is a better qualification of spirituality than field circus hours or current cult position held.
Jus' sayin
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Does the GB actually believe it all?
by schnare indo you guys think that the gb actually believes the garbage that they print?
how could they actually believe their new "overlapping generation" doctrine?
wouldn't they have access to anything ever printed and have knowledge of all the false prophecy?
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Captain Obvious
While reading CoC sheds light on the true actual bible knowledge of the GB.. Who knows if GB 2.0 are any smarter/knowledgeable? While it is possible that they may believe, there is no way they can all think that what they teach is 100% accurate. For that reason I find it incredibly difficult to not feel like I have been LIED to my whole life.. To put it as nicely as possible.
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Has The Prophecy of The Faithful Slave Been Fulfilled?
by Este in48but if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, my master is delaying,49and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,50the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,51and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites.
there is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.. who is the master of the "evil slave"?
jesus christ is not evil therefore it has to be satan.
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Captain Obvious
Read it four or five times if you don't get it at first, brainwashing is a bitch to wash out.
I find reading a different translation helps. It's still tough though you're right. The talks and pubs have been using that book so much for so long, it can be difficult to read it objectively and contextually. Being able to read contextually has been my best tool for flushing out the brainwashing.
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Has The Prophecy of The Faithful Slave Been Fulfilled?
by Este in48but if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, my master is delaying,49and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,50the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,51and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites.
there is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.. who is the master of the "evil slave"?
jesus christ is not evil therefore it has to be satan.
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Captain Obvious
Two threads huh...
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Has The Prophecy of The Faithful Slave Been Fulfilled?
by Este in48but if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, my master is delaying,49and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,50the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,51and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites.
there is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.. who is the master of the "evil slave"?
jesus christ is not evil therefore it has to be satan.
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Captain Obvious
Still have some JW indoctrination hanging on do we?
Parables are not necessarily prophecies. There is no indication that this particular one has any purpose other than to make a point.